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أنا أتعامل مع القرآن كنص تأسيسي. ولست ملزما بتفسيره بالمنهاج السني الذي تنتهجه، والذي بات محط مساءلة حتى من كثير من المسلمين أنفسهم.
المسيح في القرآن ولد ومات وبعث حيا
وتفصيل ذلك عندنا نحن في كتاب الله المقدس المذكور في القرآن، وليس تفصيله لديكم في كتاب السنة الذي وضعتموه ولم يأت له ذكر له في أية ملة.
بالنسبة للآية: وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا مُوسَى الكِتَابَ وَقَفَّيْنَا مِنْ بَعْدِهِ بِالرُّسُلِ وَآتَيْنَا عِيسَى ا بْنَ مَرْيَمَ البَيِّنَاتِ وَأَيَّدْنَاهُ بِرُوحِ القُدُسِ أَفَكُلَّمَا جَاءَكُمْ رَسُولٌ بِمَالا تَهْوَى أَنْفُسُكُمُ ا سْتَكْبَرْتُمْ فَفَرِيقاً كَذَّبْتُمْ وَفَرِيقاً تَقْتُلُونَ"
القتل بشكل عام مثل الموت واحد، وطرق تنفيذه مختلفة قد يكون بالشنق، أو السيف، أو الرصاص، أو الدهس بسيارة، أو الصلب أو غيره. فلا تحاول أن تلعب على الكلمات وتستثني الصلب من القتل
أما كلمة فريق فتشير إلى كل الأنبياء الذين قتلهم بنو إسرائيل قبل السيد المسيح
ولك الشكر
2.80 And they say: "The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days:" Say: "Have ye taken a promise from God, for He never breaks His promise? or is it that ye say of God what ye do not know?"
This is not in the Torah but its refering to the Talmud. The supposed "oral" traditions the Rabbis say was passed down to them. The Talmud are the collections of the traditions of the so called Pharisees talked about in the Gospel who were fierce opponents of Jesus the Messiah.
The Rabbinic tradition arose from the Pharisaic tradition after the destruction of the Second Temple in AD 70. In general, it moved away from traditional Judaism's emphasis on an earthly future for Israel toward the concept of reward in the life to come.[4] Gehinom (Gehenna), according to rabbinic literature, is a place or state where the wicked are temporarily punished after death. “Gehenna” is sometimes translated as "hell", but the Christian view of hell differs from the Jewish view of Gehenna. Most sinners are said to suffer in Gehenna no longer than twelve months.Those who are too wicked to reach paradise are sometimes said to be punished forever.[5] Other accounts reject the idea that a merciful God would punish anyone forever,[6] in which case those too wicked for purification are destroyed (see annihilationism)
Also in the Talmud:
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
The Koran condemned this:
3.75. Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding, because, they say, "there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans)." but they tell a lie against God, and (well) they know it.
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
4.156 Quran
That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;
The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ's lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord's pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.
"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.
"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...
The koran tells us:
4.157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
. الايات في القران عن صلب المسيح ترد على زعم التلمود في قتل المسيح و هي غير موجهة للمسيحيين. حسب التلمود اليهود قتلوا المسيح و لا يوجد اي دور للروم. طبعا لم يؤمنوا اليهود بقصة الرجوع للحياة او الصعود الى السماء. هذا قد يدل على تصديق القران لصلب المسيح لان الكلام لم توحه للمسيحيين ان كانت قد نفت قصة صلب المسيح لفعلت ذلك كما فعل القران في موضوع تقديس المسيح. يقول التلمود:
On the eve of Passover Jesus was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who can say anything in his favor let him come forward and plead on his behalf." But since nothing was brought forward in his favor, he was hanged on the eve of Passover. Ulla retorted: Do you suppose he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a mesith (enticer), concerning whom Scripture says, "Neither shall thou spare nor shall thou conceal him?" With Jesus, however, it was different, for he was connected with the government. (Sanhedrin 43a)
يبدوا ان القران انتقد او كذب هذا الكلام التلمودي.
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